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Any one with Cham experience

Postby dcholmwood on Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:47 pm

Hi guys, I'm new to the reptile thing... but having been addicted to them for so long, and finally in a groovy financial situation i have begun!

i want to buy lizard, and i really want it to be a Cham...

i know the setup is vital, but forgetting that for the moment, which CHAM?

tawnys carpets look awesome, the yemens and panthers look so good to!

any advice, i want one that is most likely to tolerate/enjoy being handled... as they are too damn awesome to leave be!!!

:o :D :lol: :) :P :wink:

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Postby Fingeez on Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:51 am

To be honest i wouldnt get a cham as your first lizard, there way too demanding and get stressed really easy. Plus theres no such thing as a cham that enjoys being handled, they will tolerate a tiny amount of handling, but there not a lizard you could take out for ages and pass around friends to have a look at.

You'd be much better off with something like a beardie, blue tongue skink, leapord gecko or crested gecko as your first to build up some expierence first. Hope this helps.

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Postby dee on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:12 am

hi there
yes chams are awesome but as the owner of a panther (aka pain in the butt lol) i,m with fingezz chams hate being handled so dont make a good interactive pet

if however you do get a cham please get a yemen these are the hardiest and most forgiving of the chams i can give you all the advice on setting them up if you decide to def get one but before you do look at other reps first as ross suggested

beardies make fantastic pets and are fairly easy to keep as are geckos both like being handled
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Postby dcholmwood on Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:14 pm

Thanks, for your feedback.

Im not ths sort... actually my friends are not the sort to be anywhere near reptiles.

I take on board your thoughts, i would like a pet i could interact with.

Its a shame, I wanted three chams, called 'red' 'gold' and 'green'

So avoiding skinks, you think a Breadie or leopard gecko?

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Postby dee on Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:59 pm

why not skinks ? blue tongue skinks are fab pets to very interactive and not to bad for new rep keepers either although they are more expensive than say beardies


i would personally go for a beardie they love attention and are best kept singly

chams have to be kept alone as well you most def cant mix them but if you would like a cham start with a beardie and see how you get on for about 6mths ish also lots on here breed them so you could always get one that you know is well breed and very healthy

with chams they need spraying 3 times a day as they dont drink from bowls (well most dont mine however does 0) they also need humidity but also good ventilation a tall viv and loads of branches for climbing
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Postby ashy on Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:17 pm

Hi
I am a new to owning reptiles too and agree with Dee,I would definitely go with a Beardie first of all.I pick mine up in a few days,as I am testing the temps etc in the viv.My Beardie loves being handled,I have been handling him at the reptile shop and he is very friendly.

Have to say I know nothing about blue tongue skinks though

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Postby dee on Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:50 pm

:D awww thanks ashy :D
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Postby princess on Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:40 pm

i got a veiled cham as my first pet. and she is easy to look after aslong as you have the right temp and humidity. which is not hard to do but i would suggest you buy the viv first the best one is mesh viv and all the lights and get that setup and at the right temp and then buy the cham then you know eveythong is ready for it when you get home. princess my cham dose not like been handled but some do.
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Postby tawny on Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:55 pm

Hi.First apols for not being around much- too much going on tbh, health scares me not the animals Thank God.New arrivals such as an adorable baby African Grey parrot and the much waited for baby Carpets,. After an incubation of 10 months using the hot/cold/hot method my first laid clutch of 7 beautifull babies has hatched.
I personally delayed getting into Chams for years,(big mistake) simply because I bought into all that "Chams are for expert keepers only" school of thought, but think about it if chams are only for the experienced keeper, then experience in keeping what? Beardies, Geckos etc are nothing like chams to keep.So, like you must do with all potential pets RESEARCH, do your homework, ask questions- drive folk insane asking questions, read books, visit dedicted sites. Once you have the optimum set up for the cham up and running and your temps and humidity are correct, then go ahead and get your cham. To ensure that they and you get off to the best start buy it from a reliable source where you know its definatley CB- with a Yemens thats easy enough, buy from someone who knows what their doing, who can give you help and advice and who will promise to take the animal back should you be unable to cope with it. Yemens are often called the beginners choice because they are more forgiving of small mistakes that you may make regarding temps etc- the same mistakes could be fatal with another smaller species.some Yemens really seem to enjoy human interaction, I have 2. 1 loves being out and climbing all over me, the other treats me with contempt and would willingly tear me limb from limb if he could. My Panther, Carpets and Hoenellii enjoy attention, my other species dont.I would never say ALL chams are definatly hands off but wouldnt say they all enjoy interacting with us either.
PS. Thanks for the nice words about Mr and Mrs Carpet, their babies are amazing colours already and only 21 days old!
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Postby dee on Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:57 am

hi stranger pfft a lovely grey not fair sulking now i used to have two years ago and really miss them they are fab birds i,d love another

congrats on the carpets too i bet your so pleased
i recomend the yemens more for a first my panther has been a right nightmare this winter :0) but i have to admit chams are adictive arent they
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Postby tawny on Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:08 pm

Chams are sooo addictive they should really come with a health warning!!!. Yep an incredibly tame bubby African Grey, called Banjo, He is just adorable, totally adorable. I'd post his pic if I could remeber how!! But I cant!

The baby carpets are growing like weeds and I'm pretty sure another clutch from May is due to hatch very soon!
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Postby tawny on Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:25 pm

IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b359/janfrog44/banjo009.jpg[/IMG]
If this works then this is my baby.
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Postby Moreliaman on Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:19 am

As someone’s already mentioned, veiled chameleons make excellent first time lizards, about the same level of care as a beardie...just do your research & read as many different care sheets as you can find on the net first.
Not all info will be correct though, just use your common sense & apply the tactics that will work best for you & your cham.
There is a good book on chams I would certainly recommend you buy....this one..http://www.avsbooks.com/avs/essenchameleon.asp
If I were you I’d get a male, females will still produce eggs & can become egg bound (even when not mated) if she cant find a suitable place to lay, so getting the male will eradicate this issue. Males also live slightly longer, but just remember most chams are solitary animals & wont tolorate the company of other chams, although some females will live together you should never keep a male with them, even side by side in separate enclosures can cause problems, they shouldn’t be able to see each other.
Make sure you keep him in a well ventilated cage, I keep some of mine in the Hagen Flexarium's ...these: http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/flexarium.php with some potted plants & a few sturdy branches inside they are perfect for the job. (Be warned..chams love to climb & using wire cages can lead to burnt feet from heat of the light!)
Just be careful what you spray around the room too !! i.e. polish...air freshener !! Big no no!!
Use a decent UV light above it with a good reflector (reflects light & heat down & prevents you from getting any UV damage to your eyes!), I use the zoomed repti-suns, both 100w & 160w lights are excellent & emit decent true levels of uv (unlike naff fluro tubes) I've also found that the 160w bulbs somehow last longer, I have one here that’s over 2 years old & still emits decent levels of UV. They aren’t cheap bulbs either...but well worth the money & outlast/out perform fluro tubes by miles ..considering most fluro tubes only emit minimal UV for 6-9 months depending on usage, even though they still emit light after this time 99% will emit hardly any UV.
If your house has central heating then you wont need any other form of heat for him....it gets cold in Yemen at night & as long as it doesn’t drop too low then he'll be fine (they are quite sturdy lizards & can take quite a wide range of temps) During the day, It needs to be around 90-95f in the main basking area with a 10-15 degree drop in the cooler parts, which is usually easy to obtain using the hagen cages.
Don’t rush into handling him, it takes time to earn a chams trust, eventually with patience you’ll have it taking food from the palm of you hand, use a wax worm to entice him & then move on to a cricket held gently in between fingers...after a while (perhaps a couple of weeks/ 1 month...or 2) it will gain confidence & perhaps walk onto your hand, but don’t force this, let the cham make the move, don’t try to hold him or grab him, just let him walk over you & guide him. Dont make sudden movments that could startle him & dont touch his back, dont know why but for some reason most of mine arent too keen on it.
Chams don’t usually drink from water bowls, they need to see either running water or a drop sparkling in the light, you could try and train him to drink from a rodent/rabbit water bottle, as your mastering the art of hand feeding you should be able to offer him water from a pipette Hold it slightly above his mouth & approach slowley, if you draw him in the direction of the water bottle you should eventually be able to get him to drink from that instead (the ones that hang upside down & make sure he can reach it from a branch!!) all of mine drink from them now, makes life a bit easier! just make sure he can see the drip of water on the end & only use the bottles that don’t have ball bearings in the end. Boiled water left to cool down or bottled water is best, don’t use tap or cold water to spray or feed, try and get the water temp around 80f +.
Spray at least once a day for Yemen’s & at least twice a day for panthers.
Yemen’s are without doubt, probably the easiest to keep of all the chams, panthers are easy too, just a bit more delicate on temps & need more water than Yemen’s (slightly higher humidity levels too) but they don’t require the higher levels of UV (unlike Yemen’s).
If you think you’d be better of starting with a Yemen, (I’ve sold out) then make sure you pick a nice healthy one with good coloration, darker colours usually indicate stressed animals & avoid dark sunken eyes (usually an indication of a problem) You shouldn’t have any trouble finding a young male for about £35-50ish there’s usually plenty of CB ones around.
But if you’re interested in trying a pardalis then I do have ambanja panthers hatching at the moment.
Feel free to PM me with any other info you need or questions you might have, advice is free
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Postby Iceman on Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:28 pm

That was really helpfull thank you

My Yemen will be ready saturday so can go pick him up, thought I would choose a male to for ease cant wait!!
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1 Albino Leopard Gecko ~Woody~ The Woodpecker

1 Yemen Chameleon ~Hector~

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Postby Iceman on Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:58 pm

This is the setup I have for him note the little addition in the bottom left hand corner of picture 1!!

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1 Bearded Dragon ~Zena~ The Warrior Princess!

1 Albino Leopard Gecko ~Woody~ The Woodpecker

1 Yemen Chameleon ~Hector~

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